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Clouds 100-109 · Socrates and Chaerephon100-109Socrates and Chaerephon
Strepsiades does not know what the wise men are called. His son knows exactly who they are, and wants nothing to do with them.
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Pheidippides
δὲ1
dè
And
τίνες2
tínes
who
εἰσὶν3
eisìn
are they
?
Strepsiades
 
I do
οὐκ4
ouk
not
οἶδʼ5
oîd’
know
τοὔνομα6
toúnoma
their name
ἀκριβῶς7
akribôs
exactly
.
μεριμνοφροντισταὶ8🎭1
merimnophrontistaì
Worry-thinkerscare-ponderers
,
καλοί9
kaloí
fine
τε10
te
—
κἀγαθοί11
kagathoí
and good
 
men
.
Pheidippides
αἰβοῖ12
aiboî
Yuck
!
πονηροί13
ponēroí
Scoundrels
γʼ14
g’
—
,
οἶδα15
oîda
I know
 
them
.
λέγεις16
légeis
You mean
τοὺς17
toùs
those
ἀλαζόνας18
alazónas
fraudsbraggarts
,
τοὺς19
toùs
the
ὠχριῶντας20🎭2
ōchriôntas
pale ones
,
τοὺς21
toùs
the
ἀνυποδήτους22
anypodḗtous
barefoot ones
,
ὧν23
hôn
among them
ὁ24
ho
that
κακοδαίμων25
kakodaímōn
wretch
Σωκράτης26🎭3
Sōkrátēs
Socrates
καὶ27
kaì
and
Χαιρεφῶν28
Chairephôn
Chaerephon
.
Strepsiades
ἢ29
ḕ
Hey
ἢ30
ḕ
hush
,
σιώπα31
siṓpa
be quiet
!
εἴπῃς32
eípēis
Say
μηδὲν33
mēdèn
nothing
νήπιον34
nḗpion
childish
.
ἀλλʼ35
all’
But
εἴ36
eí
if
κήδει37
kḗdei
you care
τι38
ti
at all
τῶν39
tôn
about your
πατρῴων40
patrṓiōn
father's
ἀλφίτων41
alphítōn
barleybarley-meal
,
γενοῦ42
genoû
become
τούτων43
toútōn
one of them
μοι44
moi
for me
,
σχασάμενος45
schasámenos
giving upletting drop
τὴν46
tḕn
the
ἱππικήν47
hippikḗn
horseshorsemanship
.
Pheidippides
 
I
ἂν48
àn
would
οὐκ49
ouk
not
,
μὰ50
mà
by
τὸν51
tòn
—
Διόνυσον52
Diónyson
Dionysus
,
 
not
γέ53
gé
even
εἰ54
ei
if
δοίης55
doíēs
you gave
μοι56
moi
me
τοὺς57
toùs
the
φασιανοὺς58🎭4
phasianoùs
pheasantsPhasian birds
οὓς59
hoùs
that
Λεωγόρας60
Leōgóras
Leogoras
τρέφει61
tréphei
raises
.
Pheidippides
And who are they?
Strepsiades
I do not know their name exactly. Worry-thinkers, fine and good men.
Pheidippides
Yuck! Scoundrels, I know them. You mean those frauds, the pale ones, the barefoot ones, among them that wretch Socrates and Chaerephon.
Strepsiades
Hey, hush, be quiet! Say nothing childish. But if you care at all about your father's barley, become one of them for me, giving up the horses.
Pheidippides
I would not, by Dionysus, not even if you gave me the pheasants that Leogoras raises.
🎭 The jokes here
1Worry-thinkers and fine gentlemen· name joke μεριμνοφροντισταί is a comic compound, "worry-thinkers". Then he calls them καλοὶ κἀγαθοί, the phrase for proper Athenian gentlemen. His son's answer is the opposite: scoundrels.Source: Starkie 1911, note on line 101
2Pale and barefoot· Athenian dig Pallor was the mark of bookworms and philosophers who stayed indoors out of the sun, and going barefoot was Socrates' famous habit. Every Athenian in the audience could picture the type.Source: Starkie 1911, note on line 103
3Socrates and Chaerephon· Athenian dig The real Socrates was sitting in Athens when this was performed. Chaerephon was his devoted friend and a favourite butt of comedy; an ancient note says he was nicknamed "the bat" for his sallow looks and thin voice.Source: ancient scholion on line 104, quoted in Starkie 1911
4Leogoras' pheasants· Athenian dig Leogoras was a rich Athenian, father of the orator Andocides, known for keeping horses. Even ancient scholars argued whether his φασιανοί were pheasants, birds from the river Phasis, or a breed of horses. Either way, they stand for the luxuries of the rich.Source: Starkie 1911, appendix on line 109

Pheidippides: And who are they? Strepsiades: I do not know their name exactly. Worry-thinkers, fine and good men. Pheidippides: Yuck! Scoundrels, I know them. You mean those frauds, the pale ones, the barefoot ones, among them that wretch Socrates and Chaerephon. Strepsiades: Hey, hush, be quiet! Say nothing childish. But if you care at all about your father's barley, become one of them for me, giving up the horses. Pheidippides: I would not, by Dionysus, not even if you gave me the pheasants that Leogoras raises.
Interpretation
Pheidippides: And who are they? Strepsiades: I do not know their name exactly. Deep thinkers, fine gentlemen. Pheidippides: Ugh, scoundrels, I know them. You mean the frauds, the pale ones, the barefoot ones, like that wretched Socrates and Chaerephon. Strepsiades: Hey, hush, do not say anything silly. If you care at all about your father's bread, become one of them for my sake, and give up the horses. Pheidippides: I would not, by Dionysus, not even if you gave me the pheasants Leogoras keeps.
Here Socrates enters the play by name, before he is ever seen, and it is the young aristocrat who knows him. To Pheidippides the Thinkers are a recognisable type: pale from never going out in the sun, barefoot, full of themselves. Chaerephon is named alongside him, Socrates' devoted friend, the one who later asked the oracle at Delphi whether anyone was wiser than Socrates, and a favourite target of the comic poets. Strepsiades does not know the name of what they do, so he calls them merimnophrontistai, worry-thinkers, and kaloi kagathoi, the phrase Athenians used for real gentlemen. His son would not join them for anything, not even for the famous birds, or horses, kept by Leogoras, a rich Athenian whose luxuries everyone had heard of.
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