The Siren Vase — Odysseus bound to the mast; Attic red-figure, c. 480 BC, British Museum
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Odyssey 8.581 · Book 8, lines 581–583

Some kinsman fallen at Troy?

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ἦ τίς τοι καὶ πηὸς ἀπέφθιτο Ἰλιόθι πρὸ ἐσθλὸς ἐών, γαμβρὸς ἢ πενθερός, οἵ τε μάλιστα κήδιστοι τελέθουσι μεθʼ αἷμά τε καὶ γένος αὐτῶν;

Was it some kinsman of yours too that perished before Ilium, being a noble man — a son-in-law or a father-in-law, who most of all are dearest, next to one's own both blood and kin?

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ê(did)τίςtíssomeτοιtoiof yoursκαὶkaìevenπηὸςpēòskinsmanἀπέφθιτοapéphthitoperishedἸλιόθιIlióthiat Iliumπρὸpròbeforeἐσθλὸςesthlòsa nobleἐώνeṓnbeing,γαμβρὸςgambròsa son-in-lawèorπενθερόςpentherósa father-in-law,οἵhoíwhoτεte(indeed)μάλισταmálistamost of allκήδιστοιkḗdistoidearestτελέθουσιteléthousiareμεθʼmeth’next toαἷμάhaîmábloodτεte(both)καὶkaìandγένοςgénoskinαὐτῶνautônone's own;

The setting

Alcinous begins to guess at the cause of the tears. The first guess: a relative by marriage — a son-in-law or father-in-law — killed on the plain before Troy. In the Greek honor-world these in-law ties rank just below one's own blood.

A note on this passage

Alcinous starts to reason out the grief. He guesses first at a kinsman by marriage fallen at Troy — a son-in-law or father-in-law — and notes that such men come dearest to a person after his own blood-kin. It is a courteous, careful probing, ranking the kinds of loss.

The undercurrent is dramatic irony sharpened to a point. The one dead man Odysseus is weeping for is no in-law and no blood relation — it is himself, his own lost companions, his own war. Alcinous keeps narrowing the categories of kinship, and every guess misses, because the guest's sorrow does not fit any of them: he grieves a legend that happens to be his life.

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